Friday, November 07, 2008

Sad Time

Pooh and I are deeply saddened by the passing of Prop 8. I would of thought that a country that overcame slavery and segregation would have been more tolerable and accepting of homosexuality. It is extremely disappointing that people feel that man should not be able to marry another man because it's disrupting the sanctity of marriage. If they want to "protect marriage" then perhaps they should ban divorce. They should also ban celebrities from drunkenly getting married and divorcing the very next day.

I can rant all I want but it wouldn't change anything and unfortunately it wouldn't solve anything. In time, we'll eventually get our day. Until then we'll just have to love each other and hope that times will change once again. Pooh and I were talking about it and we both feel pretty bummed about the whole thing. We both agree that sure, we aren't planning on getting married right now, but knowing that it's an option and that we'd have just as much a right to it as everyone else...would of been nice.

Why are people so afraid of this?

l_7ce87ccdf6e2f98bec6a6ad884bd3cdf.jpg by you.


I love my Pooh and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. I don't need a certificate nor the state to tell me otherwise (although, I still wouldn't mind some bling on my finger); I know in my heart that we're married.


Jay Brennan - Housewife (This song is my favorite! I highly recommend listening to it if you feel the same way about all this stuff.)

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Stay together, married or otherwise, both of you already have something special that no one can ever take away no matter what...

its me jhone said...

freedom and equality is abolished (imo) my heart goes to all the people who worked hard opposing prop 8 ...

Anonymous said...

Me and my friend bought each other a nice ring 19 years ago. We made a will in each others name and bought a house together. We are still happily in love. No piece of paper can change that. Marriage? We don't need a certificate, not even heaven or hell could keep us away from each other for more then a day until eternity. I would never depend on some hypocrites to validate our relationship.

Tommy and Oliver said...

I totally agree that no paper can validate my love for Oliver but it would be nice to know if I were in the hospital or something that he can come see me. I live in Florida where we could not get married anyway and they passed an amendment to the constitution to make damn sure we can't now.

Oliver and I are going to get married probably in Canada soon and to hell with everyone who does not get it.

You guys are great and congratulations on 7 years.

Ande "ahnday" said...

It sucks that it was not passed. Although I do not live in California anymore, David and I also felt horrible that it was not passed. In Hawaii, Although it is not recognized by the state, we have gay marriages all the time. Out in public and at beaches. I am sure we have conservative freaks here, but by far Hawaii has been treating its gay community well, as well as religious community(Hawaii recognizes all RELIGIONS) I Think the scariest part though about gay marriage is that we do not get the same assets as heterosexual marriage.

*we cannot make medical decisions for our partners in an emergency. Instead, the hospitals are usually forced by state laws to go to the families who may have been estranged from us for decades, who are often hostile to us, and can and frequently do, totally ignore our wishes regarding the treatment of our partners.

*If our partners are arrested, we can be compelled to testify against them or provide evidence against them, which legally married couples are not forced to do.

*Upon death, in many cases, even very carefully drawn wills and durable powers of attorney have proven to not be enough if a family wishes to challenge a will, overturn a custody decision, or exclude us from a funeral or deny us the right to visit a partner's hospital bed or grave.

Taken from: http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm

Ande "ahnday" said...

If you check out my blog. I posted up a petition website to re-open prop 8. =)

Anonymous said...

Protest in San Diego tonight at 9PM. Meet at Sixth Ave and Laurel St. next to Balboa Park. Marching to City Hall.

Hazen said...

If voters say the gay men can't get married, then you guys than form your own equivalent to marriage and implement it. That is what Quebec did 20 years ago. Its an opportunity.

Anonymous said...

Your day will come -- baby steps -- I am in Canada and was so sad to hear of the results on Prop 8... I know a change is not far - but it takes time... you could always join us up here in Canada.

Peace dudes!

Anonymous said...

Your day will come -- baby steps -- I am in Canada and was so sad to hear of the results on Prop 8... I know a change is not far - but it takes time... you could always join us up here in Canada.

Peace dudes!

Anonymous said...

dont give up, after the rain, the sun will always shine. The pic is cute anyway. Enjoy your life together.

Anonymous said...

married or not,as they have said it is just a piece of paper, it is LOVE that binds 2 people to become 1 in their heart and soul! BLESSED BE THOSE WHO LOVE AND COMMIT THEMSELVES!

Anonymous said...

sucks that prop 8 stays guys, one can only hope we survive long enough to see real progression in the years to come. Meantime, how about sending some sympathy to your Asian brothers and sisters here where gay marriage AND gay sex are both illegal!

cheers from Singapore

Larry said...

I love the pic you posted on this entry...
It just radiates LOVE!!!
LOVE!!! LOVE!!!
Loves it!!!

Anonymous said...

I normally love your blog but I really hate these political posts, but of course it is your blog to do with what you wish. That said I think there are a couple of things that a few of your readers don't know because of their foreign location. The first thing is that the fight is over the term "marriage". Gay people want the term "marriage" and not the term "civil union" although both give people the same legal rights. The second thing is that it doesn't prevent civil unions.
That being said it was doomed to fail and rightfully so in my opinion. Sorry, that statement was a little harsh but its true because gay people are the ones to blame for it's passage. I have heard, read and seen a lot of gay people bash God, religion, and the people who practice them. A monkey can't throw poo at a person and expect a banana. There were many Christians on the fence about that issue who could have been swayed the other way, but because of the religion bashing, supported it's passage. The upward movement of gay causes can greatly be attributed to Christian gays who showed straight Christians that gay people are no different then straight people.
And as a long time reader of your blog, I do wonder if you ever came out to your parents because that was a post from early this year. I know you love Pooh but how can you expect people to accept the notion of your future gay marriage when you don't expect your parents to accept the fact that you're gay? Coming out is a very personal thing, but I mention it because I think it answers your question about what people are afraid of.
Btw, you never posted about your Ex and how you and Pooh came to be.

tiggahtigz said...

Anonymous,
Thank you for your comment. I understand where you're coming from and of course everyone's entitled to their opinion. As I said in my No on 8 post, I don't normally talk about politics. I don't really like talking about it either because people get sensitive when it comes to politics. I just posted about it because I wanted to post about it...especially since Pooh and I have been in a long loving 7 year relationship...I would think that this issue would be something I'd want to talk about.

You make a good point about the nation accepting gay marriage and my parents. However, the nation doesn't have to agree with it for it to still be possible. Christians don't exactly believe in Jewish beliefs and yet Jewish marriages are legal. If someone doesn't believe in same sex marriage then they shouldn't marry someone of the same sex. I know that I won't get my parent's acceptance and therefore wouldn't invite them to the wedding. It is not like I'm not out...all of my co-workers know and my friends know. Anyway, I'm sorry that my 2 posts about my love with Pooh and wanting to get married has swayed your interest in my blog. I am pretty sure that I am not going to be a political activist any time soon so you don't need to worry about having to force yourself to read those dreaded political posts. Just as a good friend of mine always says, "if they don't like what they see then they can stop looking and move on".

I'll be posting the first "Our Story" post soon but this definitely doesn't put me in the posting mood.

tiggahtigz said...

anonymous,

I apologize if my last post seemed a bit harsh and defensive. I was in a pretty bad mood last night and I guess I took it out on you. I'm glad to know that you're a long time reader and appreciate your opinion. I am sure I won't be posting any political posts anymore...and I'm sure you'll be very happy to read the new one that I've just posted. :)

Anonymous said...

Its funny, I was about to apologize to you. As I get older feel it is a cultural thing for us not try to offend people.
I think you have a point about other religions and unless they mirror Christianity, they won't be accepted or legal. In many countries polygamy is accepted, but here it is illegal. In reality, does it hurt anyone, I tend to believe it doesn't but because of Christian views its illegal. In many religions it is not a real marriage unless you marry in a church and marry someone that is of your religion. The Catholic are famous for that one. They consider that a legalized sin. Many religions would like all marriages without a religious official to be considered a civil union as well, but because you can't control whether someone marries in a church or a justice of the peace, it was accepted as marriage in a legal sense.
I do hope that if marry Pooh, that you will come out to your parents. I think you owe it to them and I think you owe it to yourself. This is obviously a big part of who you are and they should know who you are as a person. They will probably surprise you, the rules are different for their children then for strangers. Shouldn't the most important man in your life be a part of the two most important people in your life? And because he's Filipino, they might really like him. Alec Mapa in his stand up talked about the torture he went through when he finally came out to his macho father. His father accepted him instantly, which initially made him happy. He then became very angry with his father, because he tortured himself many years thinking his father wouldn't still love him and his father's response was very different from what he imagined.
Good luck

Anonymous said...

writing this from the UK. I'm in my mid-40s and since I realised I was gay (over 20 years ago), I've come out to all and sundry. I used to lose jobs over it. But over the last 20 years I've seen more and more people/institutions get worn down.

All my family and friends support gay rights (and my parents are semi-literate Irish peasants, and catholics too). I've heard stories (years after the events) of how my shy 12 year old nephew stood up and condemned the igorance and hatred of his classmates and teacher in his religion class at school; how my brother and his band (on hearing that the bar they were to play in didn't allow gay people inside), pack up their instruments and leave the bar without live music that night, even though it meant they all went without a night's pay. They didn't even tell me these things - I heard about them from others years later.

My thai boyfriend was not allowed into the UK for 5 years, and we had to conduct our relationship by phone, emails and the occasional holidays I could take there. We came through it and we got 'married' (civil partnership) here 2 years ago. I never thought I would see something like this in my lifetime. But then I never expected to get the kind of support I've had since I came out.

Hopefully within our lifetimes the majority of people in the US will look back on the Prop 8 with shame. Even Cuba and Nepal are discussiong gay marriage.

Bernard